punishes people, the people that have been kicked off of, out of their health care programs, that they liked and with the doctors they liked. that kind of thing is what causes, you know, huge, huge, political shifts in congress, in a midterm election. >> but you heard david plouffe, the president's political advisor over the weekend say this all will be fixed, this will be fine, people have short memories. come spring they will not be thinking about this, loving their obamacare. >> i think why we hear them talking a lot about the website now. they love talking about the website. after the government shutdown, what do they want to talk about is the website. because the website will get fixed. you can, obviously you're going to always have the problems like the security problems that you were just talking about but, they can ultimately fix much of the website. the problem is, it doesn't work. people are getting forgessed out of their insurance. jon: it may be the tip of the iceberg. not a lot of people have enrolled.